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I know I need to update to bios 40 before I get the Ryzen 3600 but, my question is if I update the bios and install the new processor and then I some how have to boot with the backup bios will I be able to since I need the bios version 40 to use the Ryzen 3600? I have an old am2+ from gigabyte and I remember after a couple of good boots it flashed over the good current bios to the backup bios, does the Aorus m b450 do that?
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I am looking confirmation for this very same question. Got an older Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K3 (rev. 1.0) motherboard with F40 BIOS currently installed, and thinking of upgrading the CPU from Ryzen 5 1600X over to Ryzen 5 3600. But the MB's backup BIOS is stuck on older F23 version, and so far have not found a working way to update the MB's Backup BIOS.
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Made a ticket to Gigabyte support about updating Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K3 (rev. 1.0) motherboard's backup BIOS, and the response was that it is not possible to update the Backup BIOS for this particular model on your own, and that this could be done only at an official Gigabyte RMA center.
As a follow-up question asked what would happen should the motherboard revert back to older backup BIOS version with a Ryzen 5 3600 installed, let's see what Gigabyte support responds.
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This is what I asked support and their reply:
Question:I have an Aorus b450 m motherboard and I am wanting to upgrade to the Ryzen 3600 cpu and I am wondering what would happen if I flash the bios to 40 and for some reason the backup bios kicks in , would I be able to reflash the main bios with the new processor installed? Or can I update the backup bios? If yes, then how?7/12/2019 4:37 PMAnswer:
Dear Customer,
It will update both bios and will do them separately. Any issue booting the PC upon the bios update? If there are no issue booting and the bios shows it's updated, your fine. You cannot choose which bios to write it, it's done automatically.
I am not understanding what they're trying to say.
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I also received quite ambiguous response from Gigabyte support - see below - for question about the MB recovering a pre-F40 BIOS from the backup BIOS with a 3rd generation of Ryzen processors installed.
"We understand your question. However not all the time the system will automatically kick in from the Backup BIOS if the system crash for whatever reason. This is depends on the Main BIOS boot rom.
Unfortunately you are not able to update the Backup BIOS if the system doesn't boot up."
^ Needless to say not very convinced with Gigabyte support's responses so far on this. I am going to keep bringing this issue up until I get a Gigabyte Support Tech that actually responds to the question, and does not just dance around the topic. Also just out of curiosity, going to check with a local Gigabyte retailer, can they update the backup BIOS like Gigabyte support suggested earlier.
And as for the response you received from Gigabyte support, I know from experience that the F40 BIOS definitely did not update my GA-AX370-Gaming K3 (rev. 1.0) MB's backup BIOS, since after updating BIOS, the system crashed due to mild OC and recovered the ancient F23 BIOS version from the backup BIOS.
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So I have an idea about a way to force the system to the backup bios so that you could be able to flash the backup. When I get my x470 up and running again this weekend I will test it out since my motherboard has the dual bios switch and I am pretty sure I can recover if something goes wrong. Worst case scenario I will have to order a new bios chip and replace it.
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Thx Intender for the input and upcoming tests. As you mentioned, one would assume, that it would be at least possible to update the Backup BIOS with an MB equipped with a Physical BIOS switch. However out of interest, checked the X470 MB's manual section and the Unique Features Introduction document had some disheartning information:
"What is DualBIOS™?
Motherboards that support DualBIOS have two BIOS onboard, a main BIOS and a backup BIOS. Normally, the system works on the main BIOS. However, if the main BIOS is corrupted or damaged, the backup BIOS will take over on the next system boot to ensure normal system operation. For the sake of system safety, users cannot update the backup BIOS manually."
So as this is evidently a conscious decision from Gigabyte's part not to allow manual updating of the AM4 boards Backup BIOS's, think they really need to address our - in my mind - very valid concern here, and tell us in plain English, what happens if the MB decides reverts back to an older backup BIOS that does not support the new processors. Will the system even boot enough to allow us to flash the main BIOS back to version that officially supports these new processors, or will the MB be essentially bricked.
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on a board like the x470 gaming 7 it has a physical switch and I can manually pick which bios I want to boot with and flash, or I can leave in in traditional mode so that it functions just like every other board without the physical switch. I am going to try and exploit a glitch to force it into backup bios long enough to boot and flash, assuming you still have an older cpu installed and not on 3xxx cpu. If that doesnt work I know of a few other ways that might be able to accomplish something similar but I have never thought to try any of this before now. Hopefully this weekend I will have time to get it running and test it. I am also working on a custom loop and that is my primary goal right now so unless I have some time tomorrow to get some work done on one or the other it may not happen until the first of next week. Then if I can reproduce it a few times I might pass the information on to somebody brave or crazy enough to try it on another board.
I also have an old intel board I could test this with but I dont know 100% that it even works the same since its a sandy bridge board and could have changed since then.
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Gigabyte support's latest response on the topic found below.
Q: Just to make sure there is not room for misunderstandings, can you say what happens if I now install a 3rd gen Ryzen processors for my Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K3 (rev. 1.0) motherboard with F40 BIOS (or newer), and the system - for whatever reason - decides to restore the older (F23) backup BIOS which does not support the new 3rd gen Ryzen processors? In this scenario, will the system allow me to update the now restored older BIOS to F40 (or newer) version that supports 3rd gen Ryzen processors, or will the motherboard essentially be Bricked?
A: It won't allow you to update the BIOS if the system won't boot up. In this case you may boot up an earlier supported CPU and boot up from the Backup BIOS. Then update to the require BIOS version and swap to the Ryzen 3000 Series CPU.
This board doesn't have the BIOS switch that allow to switch between the Main and Backup BIOS.
^ No real surprises here, but at least we now got a clear statement from Gigabyte support on the matter. So essentially I'd pretty much need to forget OC completely if I decide to upgrade to 3rd gen Ryzen with this MB, because this board is not the best of breed and rather quick to revert back to the backup BIOS when even a mild OC causes instability. I'll check how much the local Gigabyte retailer would charge for the MB's backup BIOS update, but pretty sure it will not be worth it.
Let us know Intender how your testing goes, interesting to hear how it turns out.
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This is my follow up question to gigabyte support:
Question:Okay, so is it possible to update the backup bios if I am able to boot up with the backup bios? PMAnswer:
The backup bios does not get updated as it acts as a backup You will not be able to update the backup bios unless the primary gets corrupted and it'll switch to the backup automatically.
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I setup my x470 system last night, I will try it out tonight and hopefully be able to let you guys know something maybe late tonight or tomrorrow. My main issue is that the only board I own right now that doesnt have physical switches for the bios is an old sandy bridge intel board, H61 I think. I really doubt that what I am trying to do will work on that board, and I dont know 100% that the automatic dual bios system works the same on boards with switches and ones without. I have only ever used the backup on that board to recover the main when it failed and that board didnt even boot into the bios, it just went to a screen that said it was recovering the bios the main bios and then rebooted when it was done. Either way I will let you guys know something if I can figure it out.
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Ok, after some testing tonight I was able to get back into the backup bios multiple times tonight and was able to flash it multiple times to any version I wanted. Basically it involves taking advantage of the ecfw update forcing the system onto the backup bios as a result of the random reboot that takes place during the flash. I dont think this is an intended reaction to the firmware update nor am I even sure that gigabyte is aware of the fact that it happens since they dont say anything about it or how to get back off of the backup bios after the random reboot. Most people seem to think that it randomly reflashed their bios with an older version after the update when infact you are now on the backup bios and will be until you remove power from the system and discharge it with the power button before plugging it back up, or possibly if you leave the system turned off for a while. If you look on your motherboard near the bios chips there is actually a small led that will indicate if you are on the main bios or backup bios. At this point I am still cautious about releasing the info to the public about how to get back into the backup bios if you have already flashed the ecfw update, but for anyone who has not flashed the update yet, the following is a copy and paste from another post I just did a few minutes ago. its already about 3am where I live and I have spent the last 4 hours testing this and rebooting to make sure it was working reliably on my board. I may talk to gigabyte and see if I can get someone there to test this prior to me giving out the info because i really dont want to be responsible for bricking someones board. However I also dont want someone to end up with a useless board if they are on a 3xxx cpu and their main bios get corrupted.
Copy from other post below here.
Anyone who is currently on a 1000 or 2000 series cpu and has not flashed the ecfw before this. Take advantage of this glitch in the ecfw firmware update process to flash your backup bios to F40 before you follow the reboot procedure to get back on the main bios. There is no other way that I know of besides the ecfw update to force into the backup bios reliably and once you get a 3xxx cpu you wont be able to do this process. Make sure you already have the bios on your flash drive and plugged into the computer and start spamming the del key after the random reboot to get into the bios. Once in the bios press the F8 key to get into qflash and update the bios. after the bios updates and reboots you can go back into the bios to ensure that it did actually update before you follow the procedure of pulling the power listed above to get back to the main bios. I just finished putting back together my x470 gaming 7 system last night and have figured out an easy way to get back into the backup bios using this program after you have flashed the ecfw, but it involves a few more steps and some cross referencing of numbers before you flash to make sure it works. I will perhaps be looking for some volunteers to test this out before I release the information to the public here. I was able to succesfully get into and flash my backup bios 4 times, but that is a sample size of 1 system and as always with a bios flash you could brick something. I wish I had access to my own lower end am4 board to test this myself with in the event that it bricks something.
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I think gigabyte support is telling me that "if" I can boot into the backup bios I can flash it. I ran the ecfw update tool and installed the f41a bios and turned the pc off after booting into windows then I unplugged the pc and hit the power button a few times and plugged it back in then I went into the bios and installed the f41a bios again. Hopefully with that I updated the backup bios.
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I guess I am lucky because I had already installed the ecfw update tool when I was on f32 so I thought I wouldn't be able to get into the backup bios but, I saw there was an updated ecfw tool then I ran that one then I updated my bios to f41a. To my surprise I had updated my backup bios to f41a.
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Thx intender & alieninside for sharing your experiences. I remember running the EC FW update Tool B19.0606.1 after updating my Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K3 (rev. 1.0) MB's BIOS to F40 when it was first released, but the process did not introduce a random reboot or restoration of the backup BIOS (Afterwards there was just a text file with "PASS" written on it at the ecfw update's folder).
In order to restore the backup BIOS, I only need to raised the MEM speed to 3200 in BIOS, which will crash the system during OS boot and restore the backup BIOS. But apparently this process just rewrites the main BIOS with the backup BIOS and won't allow me to actually update the backup BIOS.
skizzdog wrote: Jan 24, 2021 16:54:39 GMT -8 Hello I just built a pc using the Gig Z390 M Gaming board.I cannot figure out what drivers to load first.Idont have the CD that came with the board.Can i buy one some place.
arvindh wrote: Jan 22, 2021 18:49:37 GMT -8 Hi,im having 3HD(win10 & Mint) on Aorus B450.now want to install 4th HD with debian10.Is my current setup legacy/UEFI? what care should i take before installing 3rd OS on 4th HD.forum.gigabyte.us/thread/11477/b450-multiboot-legacy-uefi*
razor9103 wrote: Jan 22, 2021 12:00:23 GMT -8 New Z490 Vision D won't boot ... stuck at RED CPU error LED
lima567 wrote: Jan 20, 2021 15:13:51 GMT -8 intender thank you, will try doing that.
masc2279 wrote: Jan 20, 2021 10:45:24 GMT -8 polarox - need more info what board what block version ... I can tell you that I have the EKWB EK-Quantum Momentum TRX40 Aorus Master Monoblock and that block is worth every penny i went thru 3 different solutions and this one is insanely good.
polarox wrote: Jan 20, 2021 8:03:32 GMT -8 hi guys,
does anyone have the bitspower or EK monoblock for this motherboard? Is it worth the money?
intender wrote: Jan 19, 2021 11:55:39 GMT -8 lima567 this is a windows 10 20h2 issue. I had the same thing on one of my computers. I was never able to get logged back into my account on that PC. I moved that drive to another computer and copied over all data I wanted to keep and did a clean install.
joeym wrote: Jan 19, 2021 8:52:33 GMT -8 Is Asus working on a solution for the Intel 300 series?
lima567 wrote: Jan 18, 2021 20:02:50 GMT -8 Have issue “Something happened and your PIN isn’t available. Click to set up your PIN again.” (I disabled start up applications. Trying to get to save mode, when press F12, chose Windows boot, hit enter - gets me back to sign in page. Please help
sozehh wrote: Jan 18, 2021 13:42:41 GMT -8 soooo NOW ASUS is working on resizable bar too....GIGABYTE?
sozehh wrote: Jan 16, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -8 joeym ofc i've done it, signed and trying to spread the petition, gigabyte do your work please and add resizable bar for intel 300 series, it is not an old product, people like me spent 800 euros on aorus xtreme, don't tell me i have already an outdated mb
joeym wrote: Jan 16, 2021 7:15:27 GMT -8 I would strongly recommend that anyone who hasn't already signed the petition do so now. If you already signed it, please share it! This may help encourage all other motherboard manufacturers to follow suite. Link to the petition: chng.it/LKLksG4yQv
iuliug wrote: Jan 15, 2021 16:31:07 GMT -8 Yes ADD BAR support for all boards that support it - but GB will ignore this
vigo wrote: Jan 15, 2021 9:35:47 GMT -8 what is resizable BAR ?
desaccorde wrote: Jan 15, 2021 0:50:15 GMT -8 300 Series MUST be supported, no other way. MSI supports it. They may think they're pushing their customers for a premature upgrade, but guess what? Even if I upgrade, I wouldn't buy a Gigabyte board. Me and all my close friends will never buy Gig again.
johnyb0y wrote: Jan 14, 2021 4:58:11 GMT -8 @gigabyte, I've personally built with half a dozen of your boards and recommended you at least 5 times last year. This will stop if you screw Z390 users with not supporting Re-BAR.*
mezzer wrote: Jan 14, 2021 2:23:19 GMT -8 This will be my last gigabyte mobo if there's no resize bar support on 300 series.
