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So I have just got my Ryzen 1700 with a Gaming K5 and here are some points id like to raise / leave for others
Good points
1a) Motherboard looks amazing (like really really nice) 2a) Booted 1st time no issues (2100mhz ram setting default) 3a) Auto voltage is pretty good, cpu runs cool on the wraith cooler with no changes (on F2 bios) 4a) Q.Flash to F2 was quick and easy 5a) Nice set of bundled items 6a) BIOS is easy to navigate 7a) Booted 1st time with Arch Linux (bar sound support as due to no kernel support on 4.10.x for this codec)
Not so good points
1b) Shipped with F1 bios RAM wouldn't go higher than 2100mhz (I guess they will eventually ship with F2) 2b) After flashing F2 ram cant go passed 2666mhz regardless of timing / voltage (these are 3200mhz hynix based sticks so this seems to be the norm for ryzen) 3b) Only offset modes for VCORE and VSOC (could really do with a fixed mode) 4b) Bios menus don't like starting over display port (see below) 5b) No p-state options (I am guessing this will come on the "K" series boards eventually)
On point 4b i noticed that whenever i tried to enter the bios / qflash / boot menu that the PC would hang on the aorus splash screen (or just a blank screen), I first thought the board was DOA but on occasion I could get into the BIOS fine and everything would run as normal. I tried clearing the CMOS / pulling the battery to no avail , tried other keyboards .... again nothing. I then noticed (by accident) that if my monitor was off while i held delete / f12 / end the BIOS screens would load fine and be ready when the screen was turned on..... very strange (could be an issue with my R9 290 GFX card not being totally UEFI compatible ?)
Overall pretty happy with the board (looking at other teething issues with ryzen this is pretty good going)
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Thanks for this, disconnecting the hdmi port seemed to allow me to boot with higher bclk and core multiplier on the F2 bios (after the first time I don't seem to need to do it anymore...maybe).
Just thought I'd also mention, I managed to boot into the bios at 120 bclk with +.084 VCORE, but none of my drives were recognized. Looks like the sata controller couldn't handle it. I mentioned it to matt in the beta bios thread, hopefully it's something fixable.
I have the board and so far, have honestly been disappointed. My complaints:
1. Why I can't set Vcore directly in the BIOS? I really don't want to mess with offset, etc. 2. I'm running a 1500x at 3.9 Ghz with stock cooler and voltages. I can push it to 4 Ghz with a Vcore of 1.35 using Ryzen Master, but that is only a per session overclock. I'm not sure how to use the offsets to get the Vcore to stay at 1.35 and I also don't see a LLC option. 3. #1 and #2 above are VERY frustrating as the screenshots in the Gigabyte AM4 overclocking guide show these as options you can set in the BIOS. I really hope they haven't artificially limited the K5. 4. In terms of RAM, I have Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and am getting inconsistent readings everywhere - the BIOS says it is 2933 and the Gigabyte utilities say it is 2933 in Windows, but most other utilities such as CPU-Z insist it is running at 2133. Only one single time did the RAM register as running at 2933 in CPU-Z. Maybe I'll push it down to 2400 or 2666 and see if that works.
I'll probably give them one more BIOS revision to get their acts together but at this stage, I'm not holding my breath. Fortunately this build was just for a relatively inexpensive second gaming system - if I bought this for my primary system and encountered these issues, I would've already returned it.
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I remember mentioning trying the page up and page down buttons in your previous post IndyColts... Not sure how that worked out for you...
How can you not set your vcore voltage in BIOS? (aside from using the buttons I mentioned)... ala my UEFI joke that I had also made in previous thread.
Also the electrical settings are referred to differently across AMD to Intel to AMD <by name(s)>.
CPU-Z although bundled in software with the board is not necessarily the go-to and/or most reliable of reliable programs out there. There are a multitude of programs and some that have been around for years are better suited for a given scenario such as: AMD preferred... or Intel preferred.
I personally use HWInfo at this point and for benchmarking I have something like 5-10 different programs for various CPU or GPU tests. CPU-Z I use running in behind HWInfo for no reason other than backup and flexibility in options. (having more)
K nevermind (I edited this part), I read up on fixed vs offset mode. I guess load-line calibration is what I'm trying to talk about down below here. The paragraph below this one is unedited but also incorrect.
Offsets, as far as I know, are relating to spiking of voltages versus what you actually set as a reading in the BIOS. Which become more relative once you are pushing the stress limits of a given platform. (and are sometimes platform dependent?) They are used as an extra option to give the user a choice as to how far he/she wants to allow (EG) a spike or fudged reading to go into stress zones or limits of voltage/current. This is just one version of the usage of the word "offset" in reality though. That is my understanding of it in my limited experience pertaining to overclocking/underclocking.
I'm going off the assumption that the Gaming 5 is identical to Gaming 7 (what I have) except for the Turbo BCLK option. Yeah, I'll be leaving mine at 100 for awhile. heh
I'll probably edit this post, seeing as I have to review some of the non-intuitive parts of the BIOS before I figure out how accurate everything I wrote is.
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Sorry, I can't stand some companies and some of their slogans and terminology/vernacular coming from the "Tower of Babel" aka Mandarin to English translation.
Guess it's all just a bunch of electrical engineers though. This post of mine is also entirely incorrect but I'm leaving the bottom portion unedited for provenance. Where's my chicken dinner?
Yeah, those are not offsets.
I found the interface missing a slight amount of information (ala UEFI joke again).
The number on the right I read as what it will be set at (as an informal static number < whatever the F that means!) if the User leaves the setting at auto.
If I was running an offset of 1.35 Volts on my Vcore, I would either be running 1.2 + 1.35 = 2.55V and basically screw/fritz/fry my CPU/whole-lotta-everything. Either that or I would have managed to achieve -0.15 Volts! That would be amazing in and of itself; achieving a negative voltage without the use of dielectric thinking or vulgar humour or something.
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I was probably thinking from using Ryzen Master in Win10 after manually setting voltages in BIOS that those readings were not "offsets" or "offset mode".
I mean to say from reading C-State in Ryzen Master or whatever the default load on Ryzen Master is called.
In any case, I still get a proper burial seeing as an offset from 1.2 Volts to 1.35 Volts would be 0.15 Volts. The offset would not be 1.35 Volts.
Perhaps universities should re-emphasize teaching Latin.
I feel confident in assuming Gaming 5 (vs Gaming 7) is the same in BIOS minus turbo bclk.
That's not offset mode.
I'm reediting all my old posts!
Wait no!!!!!! I must leave up the edited unedited edited posts for provenance!
The K5 currently only has offset settings in bios (options are "auto", "Normal", or +/-.xxxV in increments of .008 to .020, depending on which one you're adjusting.
If it's positive, then that's the max voltage it'll use above the default ("normal"?). If it's negative, then that's the minimum voltage it'll use below the default. I imagine the min (if + offset) or max (if -) would be the normal voltage.
I'm pretty sure he knows how to change the settings. What he's looking for is a way to set absolute, not-gonna-change, static voltage, which the k5's bios doesn't expose currently...hopefully it'll be in F3.
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The F2 BIOS is really the 1st one for the K5 and as its the newest gigabyte x370 board it hasn't had any beta updates since.
As the K7 and 5 got fixed voltage control I'm guessing the K5 will sooner later. However I like the offset mode over fixed as it does allow the CPU to run cooler (at the expense of the super high OC frequency)
No problem gmnat0127. Yeah, I do know how to change the values but I HATE the idea of offsets as opposed to manipulating the values directly. Gigabyte has their AM4 overclocking guide linked on the K5's product page, but it is hilarious because the K5 BIOS doesn't have the options they use for overclocking. Sigh.....
I will say I'm fed up with this board and contacted Newegg about exchanging it for another model. I'd have to eat some money on the exchange (it was part of a combo) so I may sell it to my brother instead - he doesn't care about tweaking and stuff like that. Of course, this isn't my primary system - I bought it for a second gaming system/LAN box so I'd have a capable gaming system for guests or to take to LAN parties, so maybe I should just live with it and hope Gigabyte fixes it in a future BIOS. I was in a hurry to build this box for a party and have used Gigabyte in the past and trusted their products - I don't think I'm going to make that mistake if I decide to change it for another board. If I do replace it, I'm leaning towards Asrock X370 Taichi or the Asrock X370 Killer sli/ac, but I will need to do a ton of research first.
Otherwise, the final straw for me is the RAM and not being able to run it above 2133. I WAS able to run it at 2933 ONCE for a little bit and I was also able to run it at 2400 and 2666 a few times, but as I was experimenting with different settings and overclocks, I can no longer get it above 2133 again - which was the initial issue I complained about. The only thing I used which COULD get the memory clocked higher was Ryzen Master, but now, that isn't even working. Obviously through my tweaking, I hit on a combination of settings that somehow got it working but like an idiot, I forgot to save that BIOS profile before additional tweaking.
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Thanks for the response ColtsFan (although it was one me on that one). I saw you signed as "guest" so I started jumping the gun on assumptions.
Hype is often superficial, especially when you've got binary players (ala Intel vs AMD or AMD vs Nvidia). read: No more Matrox GPU lol
I TOTALLY hear you on the quick build idea.
I bought around half of my components for this build from my Mom&Pop shop and the other half from electronic/big box stores. The Mom&Pop store is not a fan of ASRock for durability/returns (they are all Asus fanboys there but they also like Gigabyte). I figured that's telling me ASRock is marginalized by other companies at the moment since ppl have been saying hardware prices will be lower for awhile. Let's not talk about shortages/demand and RAM though!
There are so many different types of consumers and besides that factor, corporations often want to turn them all into a homogenous group. I'd be willing to bet corporations would go past existential thinking and into the metaphysical in order to "keep it simple stupid". Bunch of garbage if you ask me. Self-fulfillment and self-delusion go hand in hand. Assymetric profiling hiding in binary lies is my belief.
I will say the Gaming 7 is working out awesome for me so far, but I'm not pushing the limits of it, nor do I care for autonomous overclocking persay, nor would I be able to personally afford building 2 Ryzen systems on Day 1 release. I'm (as usual) going off internet speak, overclocking/hardware sites and Youtubers with way, way too much hardware to test.
I have the board and so far, have honestly been disappointed. My complaints:
1. Why I can't set Vcore directly in the BIOS? I really don't want to mess with offset, etc. 2. I'm running a 1500x at 3.9 Ghz with stock cooler and voltages. I can push it to 4 Ghz with a Vcore of 1.35 using Ryzen Master, but that is only a per session overclock. I'm not sure how to use the offsets to get the Vcore to stay at 1.35 and I also don't see a LLC option. 3. #1 and #2 above are VERY frustrating as the screenshots in the Gigabyte AM4 overclocking guide show these as options you can set in the BIOS. I really hope they haven't artificially limited the K5. 4. In terms of RAM, I have Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and am getting inconsistent readings everywhere - the BIOS says it is 2933 and the Gigabyte utilities say it is 2933 in Windows, but most other utilities such as CPU-Z insist it is running at 2133. Only one single time did the RAM register as running at 2933 in CPU-Z. Maybe I'll push it down to 2400 or 2666 and see if that works.
I'll probably give them one more BIOS revision to get their acts together but at this stage, I'm not holding my breath. Fortunately this build was just for a relatively inexpensive second gaming system - if I bought this for my primary system and encountered these issues, I would've already returned it.
Hi Indy,
I'm having experiencing the same frustration you are right now. I'd love to have manual fixed voltage and LLC control. My R7 1700 needs around 1.4v to reach 3.9GHz and I feel that it could do with a little bit less voltage, but without proper LLC control the voltage is quite unsteady and likes to oscillate a bit so I have to amp it up for stability, which makes for higher temps that even my watercooling loop has a hard time maintaining at bay.
As for memory overclocking, I've had no success at all yet.
I hope that Gigabyte will get on their feet soon and push those much needed updates to our K5s.
The board looks amazing, works well -so far- and has just the right set of features for its price, but the BIOS is a complete mess (as it is with some other Ryzen boards tho).
The place I bought it from has a 30 day return policy. I hope that I don't need to use it.
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Yeah, I do know how to change the values but I HATE the idea of offsets as opposed to manipulating the values directly. Gigabyte has their AM4 overclocking guide linked on the K5's product page, but it is hilarious because the K5 BIOS doesn't have the options they use for overclocking. Sigh.....
